Kevin Christner
2016-10-18 22:46:39 UTC
Does anyone else think this would be an unbelievable combination?
Discussion:
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Kevin Christner
2016-10-18 22:55:05 UTC
To further elaborate with its low weight it could probably self launch
Andrzej Kobus
2016-10-18 23:46:02 UTC
Kevin Christner
2016-10-19 00:11:59 UTC
Are these being produced / would it be possible with the 15m?
Tony
2016-10-19 03:27:33 UTC
Stephanos glider, as I understand, can fly 13.5 or 15.
c***@gmail.com
2016-10-20 12:37:34 UTC
for the moment at least, you need to have your own Diana2 and modify it. Alisport I think already modified two existing Dianas
Aldo Cernezzi
www.voloavela.it
Aldo Cernezzi
www.voloavela.it
ND
2016-10-20 17:49:11 UTC
would be cool as long as you can keep it on the runway.
Per Carlin
2016-10-19 06:15:25 UTC
Why spoil Dianas performace advantage with and FES?
Eric Greenwell
2016-10-20 13:11:56 UTC
Performance advantage over what? There are many higher performance
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
A Diana with an FES has a slightly lower gliding performance, but it's
performance by other measures is increased. It's self-retrieving
performance allows it to have good flights in marginal weather that
would have a standard Diana back on the ground in short order, and in
good weather, it let's a pilot practice fast flying more aggressively
than he would otherwise dare to.
And if it's self-launching, it's soaring performance from airports
without towplanes would be spectacularly better!
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
A Diana with an FES has a slightly lower gliding performance, but it's
performance by other measures is increased. It's self-retrieving
performance allows it to have good flights in marginal weather that
would have a standard Diana back on the ground in short order, and in
good weather, it let's a pilot practice fast flying more aggressively
than he would otherwise dare to.
And if it's self-launching, it's soaring performance from airports
without towplanes would be spectacularly better!
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://si
tes.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://si
tes.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
Andrzej Kobus
2016-10-20 14:13:00 UTC
Post by Eric Greenwell
Performance advantage over what? There are many higher performance
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
Not in the 15 m class.Performance advantage over what? There are many higher performance
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
Post by Eric Greenwell
A Diana with an FES has a slightly lower gliding performance, but it's
performance by other measures is increased. It's self-retrieving
performance allows it to have good flights in marginal weather that
would have a standard Diana back on the ground in short order, and in
good weather, it let's a pilot practice fast flying more aggressively
than he would otherwise dare to.
And if it's self-launching, it's soaring performance from airports
without towplanes would be spectacularly better!
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://si
tes.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
A Diana with an FES has a slightly lower gliding performance, but it's
performance by other measures is increased. It's self-retrieving
performance allows it to have good flights in marginal weather that
would have a standard Diana back on the ground in short order, and in
good weather, it let's a pilot practice fast flying more aggressively
than he would otherwise dare to.
And if it's self-launching, it's soaring performance from airports
without towplanes would be spectacularly better!
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://si
tes.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
Per Carlin
2016-10-21 06:16:46 UTC
Post by Eric Greenwell
Performance advantage over what? There are many higher performance
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
The Diana2 is solely built for high performance in competitions and they succeeded, for a period was it dominating the 15m class and still should if there were more of them in flying condition.Performance advantage over what? There are many higher performance
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
If you build a best in class glider for competition, why destroy the advantage by putting a drag inducing propeller in the nose? If you need a FES, go for a LAK 17, LAK19 of Discus2 or one of all those new UL. If you need best performance in the 15m class go for a Diana2, but don’t combine them.
ND
2016-10-21 12:14:19 UTC
There's no clear answer man. does a millionare who only drives in the city need a lambo? no. but he buys one anyway. not that kevin is a millionare... and not that a diana is the lambo of gliders... my point is, suppose the guy wants a diana and isn't a hardcore racer. suppose he also wants the flexibility of having a engine. he's only asking a hypothetical question...holy smokes i'm defending kevin X'D
anyway, you have to ask if a pilot's attitude changes when he has an engine. People with engines tend to push and take more risks, and guess what? they don't land out all the time. that suggests that the majority of us are too conservative in our soaring techniques. tilo has also said the drag penalty of the FES is minimal. i think that taking a glider with a performance edge and adding an FES would be a tough one to beat. cant wait to see a V3 with one.
-Andy
anyway, you have to ask if a pilot's attitude changes when he has an engine. People with engines tend to push and take more risks, and guess what? they don't land out all the time. that suggests that the majority of us are too conservative in our soaring techniques. tilo has also said the drag penalty of the FES is minimal. i think that taking a glider with a performance edge and adding an FES would be a tough one to beat. cant wait to see a V3 with one.
-Andy
Post by Per Carlin
If you build a best in class glider for competition, why destroy the advantage by putting a drag inducing propeller in the nose? If you need a FES, go for a LAK 17, LAK19 of Discus2 or one of all those new UL. If you need best performance in the 15m class go for a Diana2, but don’t combine them.
Post by Eric Greenwell
Performance advantage over what? There are many higher performance
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
The Diana2 is solely built for high performance in competitions and they succeeded, for a period was it dominating the 15m class and still should if there were more of them in flying condition.Performance advantage over what? There are many higher performance
gliders than the Diana! ;^)
If you build a best in class glider for competition, why destroy the advantage by putting a drag inducing propeller in the nose? If you need a FES, go for a LAK 17, LAK19 of Discus2 or one of all those new UL. If you need best performance in the 15m class go for a Diana2, but don’t combine them.
Tony
2016-10-21 12:37:11 UTC
According to posts on Facebook at least one Diana with FES is headed to Benalla. Perhaps reducing the risk of landing out in a known fragile glider is worth the performance reduction of the propellers, whatever that might be. At least one pilot thinks so.
v***@gmail.com
2016-10-22 03:23:36 UTC
BTW, the Diana 2 IS the Lambo of 15m gliders.
JS
2016-10-22 04:37:17 UTC
Good point. Many of us don't fit in Lamborghini cockpits either.
Jim
Jim
Dan Marotta
2016-10-22 14:59:37 UTC
You could remove the seat back in the Lambo... :-D
--
Dan, 5J
Dan, 5J
k***@richmond-cap.com
2016-10-20 15:00:28 UTC
So I can drive 20 minutes to an airport and self launch, rather than 2+ hours to a towplane.
Also, you can always take the FES nose cap off and put on a clean one if you thought you could win a national championship. I am unlikely to be there any time soon.
Also, you can always take the FES nose cap off and put on a clean one if you thought you could win a national championship. I am unlikely to be there any time soon.
t***@gmail.com
2016-10-30 11:51:26 UTC
There is one new model similar to Diana2 with incredible performance and weights which is getting to be introduced in spring 2017!
GP15 JETA Self-launch with 25kW top-retractable electric engine.
http://www.gpgliders.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/GP15E.pdf
GP15 JETA Self-launch with 25kW top-retractable electric engine.
http://www.gpgliders.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/GP15E.pdf
diana2sailplane@gmail.com
2017-04-18 19:56:59 UTC
Hi there,
I have good news for anyone who thinking seriously about Diana 2 FES.
This is ongoing project, which has been announced in Friedrichshafen Aeroexpo
couple of weeks ago by new manufacturer AVIONIC.
First self-launcher of Diana will be ready to fly next year (2018).
Keep eye on Diana 2 UK Agent website for any forthcoming news.
www.diana2sailplane.co.uk
I have good news for anyone who thinking seriously about Diana 2 FES.
This is ongoing project, which has been announced in Friedrichshafen Aeroexpo
couple of weeks ago by new manufacturer AVIONIC.
First self-launcher of Diana will be ready to fly next year (2018).
Keep eye on Diana 2 UK Agent website for any forthcoming news.
www.diana2sailplane.co.uk
c***@gmail.com
2017-04-30 06:32:41 UTC