Concealed Carry In MY ASW27

[Bob Youngblood]

What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

[son_of_flubber]

Help me out here.

Are there both Flaming Liberals and a Non-Flaming Liberals? I don't understand the Flaming part.

Is there any such thing as a Flaming Republican and how are they different from ordinary Republicans.

[K m]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW.

Are you drunk?

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by K m

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW.

Are you drunk?

No, just trying to loosen up from the Corona stampede. There is no such thing as a Flaming Republican, we do have Flaming Liberals.

[u***@ix.netcom.com]

Post by Bob Youngblood

Post by K m

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW.

Are you drunk?

No, just trying to loosen up from the Corona stampede. There is no such thing as a Flaming Republican, we do have Flaming Liberals.

The real CV stampede was all the kids on college break at the Florida beachs incubating and then dispersing all over the country. Much more dangerous than a few "NY Liberals" that may go south.
Just another opinion.
UH

[g***@gmail.com]

Was wondering how long glider flying could remain nonpolitical. In real life at the airport I've only seen people on the left openly flying their flags. Won't be long before both sides raise their colors. When that happens clubs splitting on ideological grounds seems possible. Be interesting to see where all the talent goes.

[u***@gmail.com]

Aw Gregg don’t loose any sleep over it. Theres so few clubs and so few commercial operations left that I am sure we will all find a way to coexist if for nothing else than self preservation. You know all this b.s. mostly stays right here and never gets out to the field. My club is a great example. We have very serious strongly liberal as well as supper conservative guys both in our club. We all get along fine and actually we are able to have intelligent and civil conversations on political topics. All is good. We respect each other and actually value each others opinions.
Dan

[JS]

Pardon my French, but...
You lot are REALLY FUCKED UP!
Jim

[u***@gmail.com]

Ah JS theres that intolerance that shows its face lil.

[Charles Longley]

Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.

[John Foster]

Post by Charles Longley
Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.

I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my person while flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could have some extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit bag, but it is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the D-ring of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would interfere with access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the nuts. I may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real well down there either. Thoughts?

[Don Johnstone]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles

Post by Charles Longley
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You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be
at least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.

[Martin Gregorie]

Post by Don Johnstone
You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be at
least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.

With sharpened spikes for improved tree-climbing speed?

[Dan Marotta]

Running shoes are only effective if there's someone else with you who
does not have good shoes.  I well placed shot to his kneecap ensures
your escape.

Post by Don Johnstone

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles

Post by Charles Longley
Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly

taken

=
the spotlight off gun control. I don=E2=80=99t carry in my glider.

But it=

=E2=80=99s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock.

It=E2=80=99s

re=
ally easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would

probably

ca=
rry a custom 1911.
I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my

person

whil=
e flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could

have

s=
ome extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit

bag, but

it=
is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the
D-ring=
of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would

interfere

with=
access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the

nuts.

I=
may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real

well

dow=
n there either. Thoughts?

You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be
at least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.

[John Foster]

Post by Don Johnstone

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-6, Charles

Post by Charles Longley
Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly

taken

=
the spotlight off gun control. I don=E2=80=99t carry in my glider.

But it=

=E2=80=99s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock.

It=E2=80=99s

re=
ally easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would

probably

ca=
rry a custom 1911.
I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my

person

whil=
e flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could

have

s=
ome extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit

bag, but

it=
is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the
D-ring=
of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would

interfere

with=
access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the

nuts.

I=
may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real

well

dow=
n there either. Thoughts?

You thinking of shooting at a bear with a pistol? In my very limited
experience pistols are not that accurate and you might end up just
irritating the bear. Even if you hit it. My recommendation would be
at least a 50 cal or better yet a good pair of running shoes.

Many of our local SAR guys carry a G20 with Buffalo Bore 220gr hard cast bullets. Same for local game wardens. This is widely viewed as the "bear" minimum caliber. Obviously, shot placement is critical.

Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.

[Dave Walsh]

So now motor glider pilots have another "advantage": no need
to tote iron?

[Dan Marotta]

Better to have it and not need it...  What if your engine won't start?

Post by Dave Walsh
So now motor glider pilots have another "advantage": no need
to tote iron?

[Bob Whelan]

Better to have it and not need it... What if your engine won't start?

So now motor glider pilots have another "advantage": no need to tote
iron?

Heh.I've seen many a non-running automobile with plenteous bullet holes in the
hood region!

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[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Post by Dan Marotta
Better to have it and not need it...  What if your engine won't start?

-

Post by Dan Marotta
Dan, 5J

What if your gun won't go bang? What if it does at the wrong time and pointed in the wrong direction?

[u***@gmail.com]

I think I trust me, my gun, and my aim more than your engine as far as “reliability” goes.

[Dan Marotta]

I think the odds of either of those maladies are remote enough as to be
non existent.

Post by Jonathan St. Cloud

Post by Dan Marotta
Better to have it and not need it...  What if your engine won't start?

-

Post by Dan Marotta
Dan, 5J

What if your gun won't go bang? What if it does at the wrong time and pointed in the wrong direction?

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by Dan Marotta
I think the odds of either of those maladies are remote enough as to be
non existent.

Post by Jonathan St. Cloud

Post by Dan Marotta
Better to have it and not need it...  What if your engine won't start?

-

Post by Dan Marotta
Dan, 5J

What if your gun won't go bang? What if it does at the wrong time and pointed in the wrong direction?

--
Dan, 5J

Statistics would disagree with both of these ideas about the danger of guns and animals, with a cursory analysis of the data being completely sufficient.

Some accidental shooting statistics. 2006 to 2016 had 6885 deaths.
https://www.aftermath.com/content/accidental-shooting-deaths-statistics/

And some cougar attack statistics. If you are an adult your risk dying from cougar attack is basically nil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Another quick internets search reveals an interesting connection with bear attacks and deaths... A cursory examination shows a high correlation of being attacked\dying by a bear with to your attempt to kill them. Shocker.

I spent a lot of time in the woods in the in my 20's across the western US, lower 48, frequently months at a time, with the most remote locations spent in a tent, some of that completely alone. I've never felt a need or a benefit to carrying a weapon. Ran into plenty of bears, wild ones in Montana and elsewhere, and play bears in southern California (probably just as dangerous). I've even been on the wrong side of a (very large) cougar stalking. That one was 1000 feet from the La Cresenta, CA suburbs where the truly dangerous cougars are, lol.
An attempt at an honest understanding of the animals actual motivations seemed to serve me well. They are wild animals, but south of the Canadian border we are not on their food chain.

[u***@gmail.com]

Well arche I guess you havent been to montana lately. The grizzly population has exploaded, and if your elk or mule deer hunting in the fall you better shoot-kill- and pack up quick. The griz where we huntcome running at the sound of a shoot to steal your game. This has happened once to us and twice in the last year to hunting friends. Things are not like they used to be.


And as for a running gun war between conservatives n libs, the libs would’nt stand a chance. Where they live they have/are working to ban all gun ownership n the only folks in the urban lib zones are the criminals. When this ficticious war breaks out they will be busy ripping you all off, good luck with that.

Oh one last thought, let me remind you, your great white northern savior Abraham Lincoln........ was a Republican!!! Hows that for irony lol.

Oh and as to that wonderfull machine, correction, its a great gun in a greater machine lol

Peace
Dan

[5Z]

Post by u***@gmail.com
Oh one last thought, let me remind you, your great white northern savior Abraham Lincoln........
was a Republican!!! Hows that for irony lol.

My understanding is that back then the political platforms and leanings were the opposite of today. Here's a place to start researching this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_switching_in_the_United_States

And an opinion piece:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/09/04/donald-trumps-republican-party-is-not-party-lincoln/

5Z

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by John Foster
Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.

Our Airport Manager is a former Vietnam POW who was shot down in 1972. Upon bailout from his B-52, his lensatic compass was caught under his 'chute harness when the canopy opened. He got three broken ribs out of it. However, that was just the beginning of his troubles.

[John Foster]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by John Foster
Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.

Our Airport Manager is a former Vietnam POW who was shot down in 1972. Upon bailout from his B-52, his lensatic compass was caught under his 'chute harness when the canopy opened. He got three broken ribs out of it. However, that was just the beginning of his troubles.

Good point. One would need the holster positioned somewhere where it was NOT under a parachute harness strap. That could be "problematic".

[Dan Marotta]

A high altitude ejection from an exploding aircraft brings a lot more
forces than jumping out of a glider, including the high-g loading of the
rocket catapult.  With my limited parachuting experience (7 jumps), I
found opening shock to be practically non-existant.

Post by John Foster

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by John Foster
Dan, I'll have to explore the shoulder holster option, particularly if it can be fit under the parachute.

Our Airport Manager is a former Vietnam POW who was shot down in 1972. Upon bailout from his B-52, his lensatic compass was caught under his 'chute harness when the canopy opened. He got three broken ribs out of it. However, that was just the beginning of his troubles.

Good point. One would need the holster positioned somewhere where it was NOT under a parachute harness strap. That could be "problematic".

[Charles Longley]

I don’t know maybe put something in the glider. If you have to bail out hope you land near the glider. I grew up in Alaska. It’s possible to kill a bear with a pistol but it’s pretty sporty. I had friends that did it. We usually carried .44 magnum wheel guns while hiking.

When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm. Don’t know if it’s true.

Of course you could take my copilots position. We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me...

[u***@gmail.com]

Maybe that little texas 45 cal derringer would be just the ticket for packing inflight. It depends on you being a good shot and being pretty close however lol.
Dan

[u***@gmail.com]

And as for the 9mm, always thought that is just way too light a load for anything. Need at least 40 or bigger. Its like comparing glide ratios, isn’t there always an advantage having a 40/1 ventus vs a 22/1 1-26? LOL. Yes, some of us enjoy the challenge of working great things with the low performance birds, but the “bigger caliber” ones make for less stressful flying when over tiger or bear country, be it terrain or animal lol.

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

Your story reminds me of a decades old "joke"......I don't need running shoes to outrun a bear/big cat.....I just need to outrun YOU!

Agreed, not something needed to know in eastern US...but sorta fun (for those with running shoes) as well as sorta worthwhile.....


Things we bring up in this "crappy time on the planet"......sigh....

[Dan Marotta]

There are bears in the east.  About 15 years back I was riding my Harley
up I-91 in PA when a black bear ran across the road in front of me.

Post by Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
Your story reminds me of a decades old "joke"......I don't need running shoes to outrun a bear/big cat.....I just need to outrun YOU!
Agreed, not something needed to know in eastern US...but sorta fun (for those with running shoes) as well as sorta worthwhile.....
Things we bring up in this "crappy time on the planet"......sigh....

[2G]

Post by Charles Longley
I don’t know maybe put something in the glider. If you have to bail out hope you land near the glider. I grew up in Alaska. It’s possible to kill a bear with a pistol but it’s pretty sporty. I had friends that did it. We usually carried .44 magnum wheel guns while hiking.
When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm. Don’t know if it’s true.
Of course you could take my copilots position. We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me...

Here is an actual analysis of all known (at the time of writing in 2018) pistol defenses of bear attacks. Bottom line: 97% success rate, including 4 with 9mm one of which killing the bear with a single shot. Bear spray was not very effective and totally ineffective if it is windy (it might work on unruly glider pilots, however). The bear was missed in the unsuccessful case.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz6IOWpC5ZV

[j***@gmail.com]

Post by Charles Longley
When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm.

You mean your polar bears pack handguns?

Jim Beckman

[Charles Longley]

Post by j***@gmail.com

Post by Charles Longley
When I was flying Twin Otters on the North Slope. There was a story floating around about a guy at one of the DEW Line sights killing a Polar Bear that broke in with a 9 mm.

You mean your polar bears pack handguns?
Jim Beckman

:)

[Dan Marotta]

A shoulder holster under your parachute harness might work.  When I was
flying in Alaska in the 70s I tried carrying my .44 Magnum six shooter
with a 6-inch barrel in a shoulder holster but it was too big.  The butt
was just under my chin and the muzzle was stuck against the seat pack
parachute in the ejection seat.  I took it out, handed it down to my
crew chief, told him to be careful as it was loaded, and went off to fly
the mission.

Post by John Foster

Post by Charles Longley
Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.

I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my person while flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could have some extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit bag, but it is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the D-ring of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would interfere with access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the nuts. I may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real well down there either. Thoughts?

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Post by Dan Marotta
A shoulder holster under your parachute harness might work.  When I was
flying in Alaska in the 70s I tried carrying my .44 Magnum six shooter
with a 6-inch barrel in a shoulder holster but it was too big.  The butt
was just under my chin and the muzzle was stuck against the seat pack
parachute in the ejection seat.  I took it out, handed it down to my
crew chief, told him to be careful as it was loaded, and went off to fly
the mission.

Post by John Foster

Post by Charles Longley
Actually this is kind of a funny thread! Coronavirus has certainly taken the spotlight off gun control. I don’t carry in my glider. But it’s a thought. I prefer the plastic fantastic Glock. It’s really easy to train family members on. If it was just me I would probably carry a custom 1911.

I've been trying to figure out how I'd carry a G20 (10mm) on my person while flying. I live in bear country, and a land-out in the woods could have some extra danger. I thought about using a Hill People Gear kit bag, but it is positioned in just the wrong place where it blocks access to the D-ring of the rip chord of my parachute. A drop leg holster would interfere with access to the elevator trim. And appendix carry would crunch the nuts. I may have to consider an ankle holster, but a G20 doesn't fit real well down there either. Thoughts?

--
Dan, 5J

I used to live at an airport community. One night at twilight, while my 110 pound lab with laryngital paralysis, Carson and I were returning from a hangar a few rows over, we noticed a couple walking on the same path that lived in a hangar just two down from mine, so we picked up our pace to catch them. Carson's breathing was labored by his condition and he made a loud huffing sound. As we approached the couple from behind, the woman (Valorie)grabs her man's arm thrusts her leg in front to swing over her leg tripping him and she starts running. I helped my neighbor up off the ground Carson gave everyone a big greeting, then the questions started. Turns out, Valorie thought Carson's labored breathing was a bear, so she threw her husband to be on the ground and started to run away. Ten years later I had heard they were still together and still not married.

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by JS
Pardon my French, but...
You lot are REALLY FUCKED UP!
Jim

You guys need to loosen up, Just a funny post drives you guys nuts! Maybe we should get back to the afraid to land out topic. Bob

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by Bob Youngblood

Post by JS
Pardon my French, but...
You lot are REALLY FUCKED UP!
Jim

You guys need to loosen up, Just a funny post drives you guys nuts! Maybe we should get back to the afraid to land out topic. Bob

Maybe everyone needs to read the Saskatoon chronicle and loosen up!

[Stephen Szikora]

I think he jumped the gun (pun intended) ... not April 1st yet.

[u***@gmail.com]

The single action 45 is my wonderful companion when flying thru the toolies xc. It is great ballist, sure helps move up the l/d speed and is a wonderful ice breaker with the farmers and ranchers when I land out. I wonder if thats a reason lots of guys dread landouts, namely they are liberals and 1. Don’t appreciate farmers and ranchers, think they are contributors to global warming, rape the land and are uneducated hicks. And 2. They have absolutely no way of relating to them. After all, farmers and ranchers are absolutely overwelmingly pro gun!
Dan

[u***@gmail.com]

Km, bringing this back directly to soaring, I sure hope you don’t land out in my neck of the woods, you would’nt last a day. Our conservative “uneducated hicks” would eat you for lunch and mail the bones back to your relatives, Lol But I’m sure your superior intellect and wonderful soaring prowness would likely get you home, but if it did’nt........ just saying.

[MNLou]

Bob -

If you are trying to assure that nobody north of the Mason Dixon line ever comes to fly at Vero Beach, you are doing a great job!

Lou

[u***@gmail.com]

Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by u***@gmail.com
Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.

I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.

[Cumungus]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by u***@gmail.com
Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.

I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.

Bob,

I would advise following the instruction from your supreme leader & drink some disinfectant.
Or inject yourself with it -- you might get quicker results.

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by Cumungus

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by u***@gmail.com
Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.

I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.

Bob,
I would advise following the instruction from your supreme leader & drink some disinfectant.
Or inject yourself with it -- you might get quicker results.

I traded the AK47 for my new Sig P365 that fits very well into the right side pocket of the 27. It only carries 10, but I carry an extra clip just in case of a landout somewhere near Seattle , Baltimore or Atlanta. Bob

[Shaun Wheeler]

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Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by u***@gmail.com
Thats ok, sorry to hear u feel that way Lou, but I’m pretty sure you don’t speak for the majority of guys up north. You really don’t know what your missing. If you want to stay up north and enjoy those long cold nasty winters just because you have an issue with law abiding gun owners who support the second amendment, we’ll to each their own. I am sure we have enough sensible folks down this way that will be sure to keep treasure coast plenty busy.

I don't have an issue with law abiding gun owners. But I have an issue with a few here who are continuously airing their political views, and disparaging and name-calling those with other political views. This is a newsgroup that is supposed to discuss soaring. The soaring community is small enough as it is. If we want to keep it going please keep politics out of it.

Bob,
I would advise following the instruction from your supreme leader & drink some disinfectant.
Or inject yourself with it -- you might get quicker results.

I traded the AK47 for my new Sig P365 that fits very well into the right side pocket of the 27. It only carries 10, but I carry an extra clip just in case of a landout somewhere near Seattle , Baltimore or Atlanta. Bob

It's bad to run out of altitude, airspeed, ideas and ammo on the same day.

[Dan Marotta]

Single action 45?  Don't you carry it with the hammer back?

Post by u***@gmail.com
The single action 45 is my wonderful companion when flying thru the toolies xc. It is great ballist, sure helps move up the l/d speed and is a wonderful ice breaker with the farmers and ranchers when I land out. I wonder if thats a reason lots of guys dread landouts, namely they are liberals and 1. Don’t appreciate farmers and ranchers, think they are contributors to global warming, rape the land and are uneducated hicks. And 2. They have absolutely no way of relating to them. After all, farmers and ranchers are absolutely overwelmingly pro gun!
Dan

[u***@gmail.com]

No Dan even keep an empty chamber under the hammer, but in texas strong conditions I may need to reconsider that and add the weight lol.

[bumper]

Post by u***@gmail.com
No Dan even keep an empty chamber under the hammer, but in texas strong conditions I may need to reconsider that and add the weight lol.

Here's a link to youtube video that shows what can tragically happen if carrying chamber empty with a semi-auto.

bumper

[u***@gmail.com]

Bumper, its a single action colt I have. That means it has to be cocked every time one wants to fire a round. The only safe way of transport is to have an empty chamber under the hammer.

[g***@gmail.com]

One of those less than manly fanny pack holsters might work. Put it on before the parachute or you will die if you jump. Downside is rear control movement and if it bounces in turbulence your gun is going to hit your gun.
Not an empty chamber advocate but not a bad idea while flying, you can always rack one while waiting for retrieve.

[bumper]

Post by u***@gmail.com
Bumper, its a single action colt I have. That means it has to be cocked every time one wants to fire a round. The only safe way of transport is to have an empty chamber under the hammer.

Oh, right on! Wasn't thinking of you cowboys! All my SSA pattern are Ruger w/transfer bar, save for one black powder burner. :c)

[Dan Marotta]

Doesn't it have a half cock hammer position?

I once had a Navy Colt .32 caliber black powder gun.  With that you
could load all cylinders and lower the hammer on the high ground between
nipples.  When you draw the hammer back, the cylinder rotates into battery.

Post by u***@gmail.com
Bumper, its a single action colt I have. That means it has to be cocked every time one wants to fire a round. The only safe way of transport is to have an empty chamber under the hammer.

[u***@gmail.com]

It does but it would take much to trigger a fire, as it half cocks the cylinder rotates. Most guys just keep the hammer on the empty when transporting or riding horse.
Dan

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

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Post by u***@gmail.com
No Dan even keep an empty chamber under the hammer, but in texas strong conditions I may need to reconsider that and add the weight lol.

Here's a link to youtube video that shows what can tragically happen if carrying chamber empty with a semi-auto. http://youtu.be/0FXHVjXPtJk
bumper

Here is a counter point:

A gun that is not loaded is a threat to the possessor. A gun that is loaded can be a threat to everyone around.

[Dan Marotta]

Watch out, Bob.  That 2000 rounds is mighty heavy.  You might over gross
your ship!

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

[Shaun Wheeler]

The flaming ones are easier to shoot in the dark but harder to keep the groups tight on account of they run at the first sign of trouble.

[Roy B.]

We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me...



Now that's funny.
ROY

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by Charles Longley
We were in Kaktovik (Barter Island on the Canadian border) I had forgotten my .44. There was a couple of Polar Bears milling around close by. My copilot carried a 9 mm. I asked him if he thought he could kill a Polar Bear with his 9 mm. He told me he didn’t need to he would just shoot me in the leg and stay ahead of me...
Now that's funny.
ROY

I was visiting a local friend and rancher when he showed me where a gator , said to be the largest that he has ever seen on the ranch had killed a 2 thousand pound breeder bull and drug it into a canal where it would wait for the meat to rot and eat.
I guess the bull never stood a chance, a gator can outrun a horse for about 40 yards. Another reason to carry protection while in the wilderness. Bob

[Scott Williams]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

When I was young, Gun control meant the ability and discipline to place rounds where you intended.
Scott

[Steve Bralla]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.

[John Foster]

Post by Steve Bralla

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.

Sounds like you missed the "ribbing" tone of the OP, designed specifically to get a reaction from folks.

In all seriousness though, the decision whether to carry a gun is a personal one. Fortunately I live in a state (MT) where we still have the freedom to make that choice, where it is not already made (not allowed to) by the government.

[GliderCZ]

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Post by Steve Bralla

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.

Sounds like you missed the "ribbing" tone of the OP, designed specifically to get a reaction from folks.
In all seriousness though, the decision whether to carry a gun is a personal one. Fortunately I live in a state (MT) where we still have the freedom to make that choice, where it is not already made (not allowed to) by the government.

When someone brags about their assault weapons, ammo and fear of flaming liberals, I'm not sensing the humor. I'm sensing a person with issues.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Post by Steve Bralla

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.

I started to fly XC 30 years ago and have never even considered being armed in a glider, at a gliderport, or really anywhere for that matter. However, there was on time in a flying career that spans many thousands of hours over many types of aircraft that it might have been nice to have a gun, but I had the training and experience to be safe without one. Right at sunset, I had a NiCad battery run away in an MD520N helicopter in the backcountry. Had to do an E-landing in a deep ravine at sunset. Thought I was prepared for this and the biggest mistake of all was among the 5 flashlights I had on board, not a single one could shine white light!!!! I was grounded and the fire had been contained to just the battery box. Didn't really have an emergency so I didn't want to trip the ELT. I started stumbling around in the dark, very dark, trying to find a place I could get cell coverage. Started to think maybe not a good idea with such limited visibility. Took stock of where I was and started moving back toward the helicopter when I notice a large cat was paralleling my course. I stopped, it stopped and sat. I started walking, that cat started walking. The cat has built in night vision, and switch blades on the end of every finger. In addition a cat has cat like reflexes. Yeah, I was fully aware now. I stood as tall as I could with arms out walked on toes at a steady pace back to bird and when I had to turn my back to open the open my skin was crawling. I have always owned a domestic cat and I know when you turn your back that is when they bite. It all worked out and I bought an STC Gel Cell battery.

[Dan Marotta]

Scary story, Johathan.  Glad it worked out OK, but it's always best to
stay with the aircraft in a survival situation.  I'll bet you know that now!

Post by Jonathan St. Cloud

Post by Steve Bralla

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

I stated flying XC 40 years ago in SoCal in hang gliders and now in sailplanes. I can't think of a time that I thought I needed a gun when I landed out. I don't care if you have a gun but wonder about your need to brag about it. Is that like the guys with the 4x4s with the big and stupid tires with small hands?
I also wonder about your need to have guns to defeat the "flaming" liberals at your gliderport. Can't beat them with ideas? We have both libs and cons where I fly, no guns needed. We all like beer.

I started to fly XC 30 years ago and have never even considered being armed in a glider, at a gliderport, or really anywhere for that matter. However, there was on time in a flying career that spans many thousands of hours over many types of aircraft that it might have been nice to have a gun, but I had the training and experience to be safe without one. Right at sunset, I had a NiCad battery run away in an MD520N helicopter in the backcountry. Had to do an E-landing in a deep ravine at sunset. Thought I was prepared for this and the biggest mistake of all was among the 5 flashlights I had on board, not a single one could shine white light!!!! I was grounded and the fire had been contained to just the battery box. Didn't really have an emergency so I didn't want to trip the ELT. I started stumbling around in the dark, very dark, trying to find a place I could get cell coverage. Started to think maybe not a good idea with such limited visibility. Took stock of where I was and started moving back toward the helicopter when I notice a large cat was paralleling my course. I stopped, it stopped and sat. I started walking, that cat started walking. The cat has built in night vision, and switch blades on the end of every finger. In addition a cat has cat like reflexes. Yeah, I was fully aware now. I stood as tall as I could with arms out walked on toes at a steady pace back to bird and when I had to turn my back to open the open my skin was crawling. I have always owned a domestic cat and I know when you turn your back that is when they bite. It all worked out and I bought an STC Gel Cell battery.

[Moses Acee]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

Go Bobby Youngblood! Totally agree.

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by Moses Acee

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

Go Bobby Youngblood! Totally agree.

Moses, when I first posted this thread I sat back and contemplated if it were the correct thing to do. Without a doubt this was one of the better things to take the fear out of the group concerning the COVID 19. Why not loosen up and have a laugh or two. A few months back things in this group were really getting boring with all the post about things like should I land with spoilers and centering thermals. I thought I would loosen things up a bit and tell the folks how I dropped my urine bags on trailer parks before landing, now that really set the crazies off.
After this post the crazies have gone ballistic, I even got phone calls telling me I was some kind of terrorist. How good it is to see some of these guys and gals actually enjoying the humor. Elvis is dead, like Lewis Grizzard once wrote, so humor and fun are the best things in life. Bob

Maybe making it an April fool might have gotten more folks to see the humor.
UH

Yep, I pulled the trigger a day too soon.

[s***@gmail.com]

This started with an AK47 and bored engineer/glider pilots.

Seems like we a missing a great opportunity. What's L/D for an AK47 round?

With the changing velocity on the way to target, I'm not sure what it means. Something to do with energy used per foot of range.

[u***@gmail.com]

Well lets see.....its gonna depend on if were dealing with a headwind. If so I am gonna take the “heavier” caliber lol

[Dan Marotta]

If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
which round will hit the ground first?  There's quite a difference in
velocity between those two.  (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)

Post by s***@gmail.com
This started with an AK47 and bored engineer/glider pilots.
Seems like we a missing a great opportunity. What's L/D for an AK47 round?
With the changing velocity on the way to target, I'm not sure what it means. Something to do with energy used per foot of range.

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by Dan Marotta
If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
which round will hit the ground first?  There's quite a difference in
velocity between those two.  (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
Dan, 5J

s=ut +½ g t^2

[Martin Gregorie]

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Dan Marotta
If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
which round will hit the ground first?  There's quite a difference in
velocity between those two.  (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
Dan, 5J

s=ut +½ g t^2

Both land simultaneously at 0.56 +/- 0.01 secs. This assumes both guns
are fired at shoulder height by the same guy and were aimed accurately
horizontal. Under these conditions 'u' is zero so time of flight is just
free-fall time.

I've just timed this using a Seiko stopwatch while dropping the solid
alloy nosecone off a NATO ground attack practise rocket found some years
ago on the Helcheren target range in Belgium. Doing the experiment was
quicker than finding a measuring tape, measuring my shoulder height and
then calculating. Besides, it was more fun that way.

[g***@gmail.com]

Post by Martin Gregorie

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Dan Marotta
If you fire an AK-47 and a .22 pistol simultaneously and horizontally,
which round will hit the ground first?  There's quite a difference in
velocity between those two.  (A bored engineer/glider pilot here.)
Dan, 5J

s=ut +½ g t^2

Both land simultaneously at 0.56 +/- 0.01 secs.

Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.
More important question if you had mounted firearms on a glider how much would the glide angle be reduced by recoil? And does the effect change at different speeds?

[j***@gmail.com]

Post by g***@gmail.com
Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.

Not if they're the same size and shape. Really, they don't.
That was what Galileo was demonstrating. This video shows
the real reason we went to the moon:

Post by g***@gmail.com
More important question if you had mounted firearms on a glider how much would the glide angle be reduced by recoil? And does the effect change at different speeds?

When I first started working for the phone company in NJ,
I shared an office with a guy who had flown P47 Thunderbolts
in the war. He said that when all eight .50-caliber guns
were fired, it felt like the airplane stopped in midair.

Jim Beckman

[g***@gmail.com]

Post by j***@gmail.com

Post by g***@gmail.com
Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.

Not if they're the same size and shape. Really, they don't.
That was what Galileo was demonstrating. This video shows
http://youtu.be/Oo8TaPVsn9Y

They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)

[Steve Bralla]

Post by g***@gmail.com

Post by j***@gmail.com

Post by g***@gmail.com
Is that only true in a vacuum? Or from a short height. Heavier objects fall faster in the real world.

Not if they're the same size and shape. Really, they don't.
That was what Galileo was demonstrating. This video shows
http://youtu.be/Oo8TaPVsn9Y

They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)

I'm sure you believe the moon landing was a fake.

[5Z]

Post by g***@gmail.com
They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)

Mythbusters repeated it in a vacuum chamber on earth :-)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mlszo

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by 5Z

Post by g***@gmail.com
They need to go back to the moon and do it again but this time no string on the hammer;)

Mythbusters repeated it in a vacuum chamber on earth :-)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mlszo

I need more rum for this explanation! Maybe Buzz Aldrin can knock you on your ass for this response. I did meet Neil Armstrong back in the late 70's in Ohio, I did not know who he was, he was admiring my new ASW20. Some guy came to me and asked if I knew who that was, I had no idea. I think he enjoyed the conversation also. Bob

[Mike N.]

"Now that's funny, I don't care who you are, that's funny"
LTCG

[john firth]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

Not sure about the bears in Eastern Canada, but beware of the deer!

heard the one about the deer that " eats shoots and leaves"?
JMF

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

Punctuation makes a huge difference....I heard that (decade+) about Panda bears....actually think it was a grammar book many years ago....LOL....no slight....just saying....

[john firth]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

Many years ago in my first US contest, newly arrived from the UK, untutored in US
geography and politics, we were flying a free distance out of Adrian, forecast as usual to be
a poor day. Seemed pretty good to me and I blundered on, heading down wind, staying high till the
thermals weakened and I was out of map. Following a river in a deep valley( probably the Ohio )
till I was down to 1500 ft and over an unknown small town, forest ahead, I elected to land on a school
playing field; quickly small crowd gathered, asked the usual questions.
I volunteered that I could have gone ten miles further but could see no fields ahead.
Ah, said one man " good thing you didn't, over there is West Virginia and in them hills the locals
figure a plane must belong to the Revenuers and they'd 'a strung you up"

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

I have a gliding question? How does wing loading compare to span loading?

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by Jonathan St. Cloud

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

I have a gliding question? How does wing loading compare to span loading?

Yes, wing structural loads vary with length.

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On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngbloo
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I have a gliding question? How does wing loading compare to spa
loading?Smaller wing area for the same span and wingloading results in a lowe

span loading which in turn means less induced dra

Greg Coles Barnaby Lecture, c. 9:30 in,

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Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight of
the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 200
rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly
educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to tak
it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at th
gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 an
Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots bein
well prepared for the Flaming Liberals
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again thi
week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anythin
better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob
I have a gliding question? How does wing loading compare to spa
loading

Smaller wing area for the same span and wingloading results in a lowe
span loading which in turn means less induced dra

Greg Coles, Barnaby Lecture, c. 9:32 in

Coli


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[Gary Wayland]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

A "REAL" flaming liberal is one that needs a wing runner! :)

[Bob Youngblood]

Post by Gary Wayland

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

A "REAL" flaming liberal is one that needs a wing runner! :)

Gary, what would our old friend E9 say???

[Gary Wayland]

Post by Bob Youngblood

Post by Gary Wayland

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

A "REAL" flaming liberal is one that needs a wing runner! :)

Gary, what would our old friend E9 say???

I'm sure he would have Dog Piled this thread with colorful metaphors!

[Turkey Vulture]

I think the last time wack-job conservatives actually went head-to-head with flaming liberals it was called the Civil War. Don't overestimate your abilities with those AK-47's wack-jobs, learn from your ancestors. However, if you must press your luck, all of us moderates will be happy to take your nice ASW 27 with a crappy rifle stored inside it.

[Jonathon May]

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ice ASW 27 with a crappy rifle stored inside it.

I am a Brit so know nothing about the USA,
can you get a form1 for a gun rack

[Scott Williams]

As I am a moderate conservative gun owner living in a conservative State which allows Constitutional carry of firearms, concealed or otherwise, I agree with the "flaming Liberals". Specifically, no east or west coast (read liberal/democrat)resident should be allowed to own any means (read firearms) to defend themselves wherever and whatever situation they may find themselves in.
This opinion seems to meet both proponents and detractors of the 2nd amendment.
Further, Who cares what I think!
Scott

[krasw]

This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and gliding. What.

[Scott Williams]

Post by krasw
This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and gliding. What.

I agree Krasw,
Next drift might be a religious argument, Thermal soaring vs Ridge soaring!
Scott

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Post by krasw
This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and gliding. What.

I tried to do a steering turn back to gliding by asking a gliding question, span loading vs wing loading, but was shot down.

[u***@gmail.com]

“Shot down” now that one got me. lol

[Martin Gregorie]

Post by Jonathan St. Cloud

Post by krasw
This is most bizarre thread I have ever read in this group. Guns and gliding. What.

I tried to do a steering turn back to gliding by asking a gliding
question, span loading vs wing loading, but was shot down.

Who knows anything about that and its effects, both expected and
unwanted, except a genuine designer?

[john firth]

Post by Bob Youngblood
What a surprise, just today my son brought me a great gift to fight off the flaming liberals at the gliderport. It is a Bulgarian AK47 with 2000 rounds of ammunition. Thank god that I raised this kid correctly, educated him and he achieved the status of a Structural Engineer, PE.
He advised me to be careful of the soft trigger, and he told me to take it with me at all times to fend off all the flaming liberals even at the gliderport. I told him not to worry, I carry two pistols in the 27 and Eileen has one in the 24. Nothing like a family of glider pilots being well prepared for the Flaming Liberals.
I was hoping to make plans to fly around Lake Okeechobee again this week, but the weather is not in my favor. I have never smelt anything better than Hoppy,s # 9 gun oil or flew better that a ASW. Bob

Quick calc. Spitfire 2000 kg 8 303 guns muz vel 900 m/s 20sec burst
speed lost 1.5 m/s or 3 kt.
JMF