LX Mini Map

[Andrew Blanchard]

I am very interested in this device and I was wondering if anyone has
been using one yet. I was think of using it with a nano as my FR.

Any comments are appreciated.

[Mottley]

Post by Andrew Blanchard
I am very interested in this device and I was wondering if anyone has
been using one yet.  I was think of using it with a nano as my FR.
Any comments are appreciated.

Hi Andrew
I think it is a great unit. The only drawback I can see at the moment
is that it has no Internal Battery, therefore if you want to use it
away from
the glider like an IPAQ, PNA etc you have to rig up a 12V Power Supply
to the unit via its RS232 port.
Bruno

[Richard]

Post by Andrew Blanchard
I am very interested in this device and I was wondering if anyone has
been using one yet.  I was think of using it with a nano as my FR.
Any comments are appreciated.

Andrew,

I was in Slovenia for two weeks in September training with

LX Navigation - the MiniMap manufacturer

&

LX NAV - the LX8000 and LX9000 and NANO manufacturer.

I am the Authorized US Dealer and Service Center for both Companies.

I have NANOs in stock and have a Demo MiniMap that I am testing. I
can get delivery of a MiniMap in about a week.

Please see my website for more details or call

http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm

http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_nav.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Rhubarb]

Hi

I think the lack of a battery in the mini map is an advantage.
Batteries can be a pain. With my IPAQs I have to:

* replace old batteries
* keep the batteries charged (or end up with a hard reset)
* deal with accidental switch-ons (which empty the battery and lead to
a hard reset)
* my Ipaqs seem to require 5.5v to charge while my 302 was only
providing 5v so if I was unlucky the Ipaq could discharge in flight.
solved by building in my own 5.5v power supply.

If I had a penny for every time I have had to do that PocketPC hard
reset cut/paste exercise. (does anyone know if it can be disabled).
followed by setting date/time/timezone...ARRGGHHH

Peter

[Martin Joyce]

Hi
Have you considered the Oudie it runs Seeyou has a internal battery, Gps
and can connect to a Nano by Bluetooth.
Martin

[John Seaborn (A8)]

Has anyone actually seen one? The screen is said to be good but better
than OUDIE with the terrain shut off? I am about to make some changes
for the coming year and have been looking.

John Seaborn
A8

Post by Martin Joyce
Hi
Have you considered the Oudie it runs Seeyou has a internal battery, Gps
and can connect to a Nano by Bluetooth.
Martin

[sisu1a]

Post by John Seaborn (A8)
Has anyone actually seen one? The screen is said to be good but better
than OUDIE with the terrain shut off?

Just had one of Richard Pfeifer's display units in my hand about 20
minutes ago. Very bright, significantly brighter than the Oudie it was
right next to, but they both had terrain on... screen size is a little
smaller though, but looked on par with the Craggy Ultimate's
brightness in the lighting of the museum we were at. Full sun is
probably a different story, but I was definitely impressed with it.
Not sure of the resolution, but it looks very sharp. Unit is about
3/4" thick and has about a 3/4" border around the screen, but it's
shell constructed entirely of aluminum and feels very solid, and more
heft to it than a PDA. It is definitely not in the same class of
devices as the Oudie and the rest of the PNA gang.

-Paul

[brianDG303]

I am considering it, a little. It needs GPS, but I have a powerflarm
on order and if/when that ships it could probably pass GPS and Flarm.
I really like the stick control option. It uses .4 amp (according to
the specs) which is as an HP310 pulls when it's charging the HP310's
dead battery, and more than a transponder.

Brian

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

The Mini Map has the same size and resolution dislay screen as an iPAQ 310.
It is 800 x 480 pixels.

You can see a comparison of the different size displays here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/pda.htm#Screen_Size_Comparison

It looks like a very impressive display and product. I like that is it
brighter and higher resolution than an Oudie, but a little smaller. I think
it will popular because of its brightness and high resolution. I wish it
wasn't twice the price of the Oudie, but it is still much less expensive
than the ClearNav or LX 9000 (which are also very bright).

I look forward to playing with one soon. I should have it on my web site in
a few days.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

Post by sisu1a

Post by John Seaborn (A8)
Has anyone actually seen one? The screen is said to be good but better
than OUDIE with the terrain shut off?

Just had one of Richard Pfeifer's display units in my hand about 20
minutes ago. Very bright, significantly brighter than the Oudie it was
right next to, but they both had terrain on... screen size is a little
smaller though, but looked on par with the Craggy Ultimate's
brightness in the lighting of the museum we were at. Full sun is
probably a different story, but I was definitely impressed with it.
Not sure of the resolution, but it looks very sharp. Unit is about
3/4" thick and has about a 3/4" border around the screen, but it's
shell constructed entirely of aluminum and feels very solid, and more
heft to it than a PDA. It is definitely not in the same class of
devices as the Oudie and the rest of the PNA gang.
-Paul

[Darryl Ramm]

Post by sisu1a

Post by John Seaborn (A8)
Has anyone actually seen one? The screen is said to be good but better
than OUDIE with the terrain shut off?

Just had one of Richard Pfeifer's display units in my hand about 20
minutes ago. Very bright, significantly brighter than the Oudie it was
right next to, but they both had terrain on... screen size is a little
smaller though, but looked on par with the Craggy Ultimate's
brightness in the lighting of the museum we were at. Full sun is
probably a different story, but I was definitely impressed with it.
Not sure of the resolution, but it looks very sharp. Unit is about
3/4" thick and has about a 3/4" border around the screen, but it's
shell constructed entirely of aluminum and feels very solid, and more
heft to it than a PDA. It is definitely not in the same class of
devices as the Oudie and the rest of the PNA gang.
-Paul

At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly
overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very
readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better
outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want
given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel
and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario
combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA
stream by the vario. Folks designing this stuff are thinking (although
with the small niggle I'd still like to see less separate interface
boards/cables). If anybody has one and does not want it I'll give it a
good home. Richard had a meter there, it was not drawing as much as
0.4A but I don't recall the exact number. Maybe he can reply with the
number (with different display brightesses).

Darryl

[Greg Arnold]

Post by Darryl Ramm
At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly
overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very
readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better
outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want
given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel
and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario
combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA
stream by the vario.

Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the
back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising.


Folks designing this stuff are thinking (although

Post by Darryl Ramm
with the small niggle I'd still like to see less separate interface
boards/cables). If anybody has one and does not want it I'll give it a
good home. Richard had a meter there, it was not drawing as much as
0.4A but I don't recall the exact number. Maybe he can reply with the
number (with different display brightesses).
Darryl

[Greg Arnold]

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Darryl Ramm
At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly
overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very
readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better
outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want
given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel
and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario
combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA
stream by the vario.

Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the
back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising.

The vario is described here:

http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf

but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that
takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. However, judging from
the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario.

[Peter Scholz]

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Darryl Ramm
At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly
overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very
readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better
outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want
given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel
and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario
combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA
stream by the vario.

Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the
back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising.

http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf
but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that
takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. However, judging from
the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario.

To my understanding this is only the dislay unit that you can hook up to
various LX devices, e.g. LX7007, LX8000, LX1606, LX Mini Map. It
replaces the earlier LCD or analog Display Units.

The LX Mini Map seems to get only GPS Data, no static/pivot data. If you
hook it up to a more advanced LX computer, you'll get the full range of
vario data.
--
Peter Scholz
ASW24 JE

[Darryl Ramm]

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Darryl Ramm
At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly
overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very
readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better
outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want
given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel
and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario
combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA
stream by the vario.

Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the
back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising.

http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf
but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that
takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed.  However, judging from
the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario.

Greg

Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you
should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that
question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes TAS
data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish
they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this
from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right
this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box --
something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then
appear a much more serious option to the C302).

The USB-D mechanical needle and LCD display is beautiful and easy to
configure what is shown etc. from SeeYou Mobile (and other vario
settings).

USB-D is not a great name choice lost somewhere between USB and ADS-B.

Darryl

[Greg Arnold]

Post by Darryl Ramm
Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you
should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that
question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes TAS
data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish
they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this
from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right
this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box --
something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then
appear a much more serious option to the C302).

Maybe this will be a good alternative to the NK vario, which at this
point appears to be vaporware.

[Darryl Ramm]

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Darryl Ramm
Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you
should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that
question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes  TAS
data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish
they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this
from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right
this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box --
something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then
appear a much more serious option to the C302).

Maybe this will be a good alternative to the NK vario, which at this
point appears to be vaporware.

One of my concerns (besides the lack of information from NK) is the NK
vario will be no interst to me, and I suspect many other piltos with
fairly well equipepd panels if the vario either does not have an
internal GPS which outputs TAS in the NMEA stream or feed through a
NMEA stream. This includes all extra sentences like from a Flarm/
PowerFLARM and adding the TAS etc. data to it and do all that in a way
that is compatible with popular soaring software (i.e. for a start
emulate a C302 TAS and other NMEA extensions). If the vario includes
an internal GPS then it also needs to be a certified IGC flight
recorder. The team working on the NK vario should be capable of
capable of doing something amazing, I hope they are.

Darryl

[Greg Arnold]

Post by Darryl Ramm
One of my concerns (besides the lack of information from NK) is the NK
vario will be no interst to me, and I suspect many other piltos with
fairly well equipepd panels if the vario either does not have an
internal GPS which outputs TAS in the NMEA stream or feed through a
NMEA stream. This includes all extra sentences like from a Flarm/
PowerFLARM and adding the TAS etc. data to it and do all that in a way
that is compatible with popular soaring software (i.e. for a start
emulate a C302 TAS and other NMEA extensions).

I guess this depends on whether they intend the vario only as a
supplement to the ClearNav, or whether they intend it to work also with
other systems. If the former, they would really be limiting its market.

I have an "antique" B50 vario, and it has no problem taking the GPS
stream from my logger, adding TAS, and sending that to CU Mobile. I am
hoping that the NK vario (as well as the LX vario that goes with the
Mini-Map) will also do this.

[Richard]

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Darryl Ramm
One of my concerns (besides the lack of information from NK) is the NK
vario will be no interst to me, and I suspect many other piltos with
fairly well equipepd panels if the vario either does not have an
internal GPS which outputs TAS in the NMEA stream or feed through a
NMEA stream. This includes all extra sentences like from a Flarm/
PowerFLARM and adding the TAS etc. data to it and do all that in a way
that is compatible with popular soaring software (i.e. for a start
emulate a C302 TAS and other NMEA extensions).

I guess this depends on whether they intend the vario only as a
supplement to the ClearNav, or whether they intend it to work also with
other systems.  If the former, they would really be limiting its market.
I have an "antique" B50 vario, and it has no problem taking the GPS
stream from my logger, adding TAS, and sending that to CU Mobile.  I am
hoping that the NK vario (as well as the LX vario that goes with the
Mini-Map) will also do this.

Greg and All

I spent 2 weeks in Slovenia in September with LX navigation & LXNAV
training to be a US Service Center and a US Autorized Dealer for both
companies.

Both the MiniMap and LX1606 Vario information are on my website.
Manuals etc. Both come with the New Vario, Either can accept data
streams from a variety of GPS devices from PowerFlarm to a Garmin,

http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm

The Vario component is the same for both systems and accepts Pitot,
Static and TE. Temp probes are no longer required as the pressure
sensors are internally compensated. TAS data is in the nmea stream,
buad rate 38300 is perferred.

The LXNAV LX8000 and LX9000 also use this Vario component.

I showed both devices at the PASCO conference this weekend.

Please call if you have questions.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Greg Arnold]

I spent 2 weeks in Slovenia in September with LX navigation& LXNAV
training to be a US Service Center and a US Autorized Dealer for both
companies.
Both the MiniMap and LX1606 Vario information are on my website.
Manuals etc. Both come with the New Vario, Either can accept data
streams from a variety of GPS devices from PowerFlarm to a Garmin,
http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm
The Vario component is the same for both systems and accepts Pitot,
Static and TE. Temp probes are no longer required as the pressure
sensors are internally compensated. TAS data is in the nmea stream,
buad rate 38300 is perferred.
The LXNAV LX8000 and LX9000 also use this Vario component.
I showed both devices at the PASCO conference this weekend.
Please call if you have questions.
Richard
www.craggyaero.com

I believe the vario here:

http://www.craggyaero.com/User%20Guides/LX%201606-manual%20V%200_8.pdf

is the same as the one that goes with the Mini-Map (except it doesn't
have the newer dial). So the picture on page 4 shows the back of the
Mini-Map vario, with connections for TE, pitot, and static.

[Tim Mara]

I have the new LX16D Vario here, this is the Vario used with the Mini Map is
much like the LX16 vario..in that it is a complete variometer with pneumatic
input for TE (pressure transducer type TE compensation) it is not a supplied
with any Pitot input so speed calcualtaions woul;d all be based on GPS
position through the LX Mini Map.
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Darryl Ramm
At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly
overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very
readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better
outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want
given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel
and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario
combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA
stream by the vario.

Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the
back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising.

http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf
but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that
takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. However, judging from
the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario.

Greg

Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you
should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that
question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes TAS
data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish
they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this
from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right
this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box --
something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then
appear a much more serious option to the C302).

The USB-D mechanical needle and LCD display is beautiful and easy to
configure what is shown etc. from SeeYou Mobile (and other vario
settings).

USB-D is not a great name choice lost somewhere between USB and ADS-B.

Darryl


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[Darryl Ramm]

Post by Tim Mara
I have the new LX16D Vario here, this is the Vario used with the Mini Map is
much like the LX16 vario..in that it is a complete variometer with pneumatic
input for TE (pressure transducer type TE compensation) it is not a supplied
with any Pitot input so speed calcualtaions woul;d all be based on GPS
position through the LX Mini Map.
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com

Tim - But as stated earlier, Richard was using the new USB-D vario/
data box with the MiniMap. And that *does* have pitot input - where
those blank plugs are on the LX16D back panel.

Darryl

[Richard]

Post by Tim Mara
I have the new LX16D Vario here, this is the Vario used with the Mini Map is
much like the LX16 vario..in that it is a complete variometer with pneumatic
input for TE (pressure transducer type TE compensation) it is not a supplied
with any Pitot input so speed calcualtaions woul;d all be based on GPS
position through the LX Mini Map.
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Greg Arnold

Post by Darryl Ramm
At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly
overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very
readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better
outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want
given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel
and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario
combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA
stream by the vario.

Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the
back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising.

http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf
but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that
takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. However, judging from
the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario.

Greg
Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you
should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that
question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes  TAS
data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish
they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this
from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right
this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box --
something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then
appear a much more serious option to the C302).
The USB-D mechanical needle and LCD display is beautiful and easy to
configure what is shown etc. from SeeYou Mobile (and other vario
settings).
USB-D is not a great name choice lost somewhere between USB and ADS-B.
Darryl
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Tim & Greg

The LX1606 uses the new LX Vario USB-D in addition to a control box,
and connection board. The vario has 3 neumatic inputs TE, Pitot,
Static it will receiver a GPS stream and adds vario data and then to
a Display (I perfer a Craggy Aero Ultimate) running SeeYouMobile)

The LX USB-D vario is also used for the MiniMap with no control box,
the MiniMap controls the vario along with SeeYouMobile PNA Software, a
GPS is also needed for this configuration (Colibri, NANO, PowerFlarm,
Garmin etc)


Richard,
www.craggyaero.com

[Kevin Christner]

Post by Richard
The LX1606 uses the new LX Vario USB-D in addition to a control box,
and connection board.  The vario has 3 neumatic inputs  TE, Pitot,
Static it will receiver a GPS stream and adds vario data and then  to
a Display (I perfer a Craggy Aero Ultimate)  running SeeYouMobile)
The LX USB-D vario is also used for the MiniMap with no control box,
the MiniMap controls the vario along with SeeYouMobile PNA Software, a
GPS is also needed for this configuration (Colibri, NANO, PowerFlarm,
Garmin etc)
Richard,www.craggyaero.com

I've long been a fan of LX Navigation having flown almost exclusively
with LX products. However, I am a little confused as to their new
product line and the seeming split of the company and plan to get the
MiniMap KB/V for this season. Let me try to outline my understanding,
and please correct me if I am wrong.

First to the companies:

1) Erazem Polutnik of SeeYou works for (is an owner of) LXNav which
manufactures the LX8000, LX9000 and Nano. The LX8000 and LX9000 run
on a custom hardware with a linux operating system underneath - not
SeeYou Mobile
2) LX Navigation has developed the Mini Map that runs a version of
SeeYou Mobile - does the hardware include the software, or this is
separate?
3) The Vario units from both LXNav and LXNavigation appear to be
identical?

Question: Why the split between the two companies?

Secondly, product lines:

1) The new USB-D vario is used in the LX1606, LX8000, and LX9000?
2) The LX Mini Map KB/V comes with a vario. Is this the new USB-D
vario or just a simple vario similar to the LX16? The price point
would appear to be that you are getting a STF variometer.

Question: What would be the advantage of purchasing an LX9000 in the
$5500 range as opposed to an LX Mini Map + LX 1606 (USB-D) at $2500?
(The one I can think of is the LX9000 does have a compass module - but
perhaps LX Nav will come out with this soon?)

Thanks for your input!

[Richard]

Post by Kevin Christner

Post by Richard
The LX1606 uses the new LX Vario USB-D in addition to a control box,
and connection board.  The vario has 3 neumatic inputs  TE, Pitot,
Static it will receiver a GPS stream and adds vario data and then  to
a Display (I perfer a Craggy Aero Ultimate)  running SeeYouMobile)
The LX USB-D vario is also used for the MiniMap with no control box,
the MiniMap controls the vario along with SeeYouMobile PNA Software, a
GPS is also needed for this configuration (Colibri, NANO, PowerFlarm,
Garmin etc)
Richard,www.craggyaero.com

I've long been a fan of LX Navigation having flown almost exclusively
with LX products.  However, I am a little confused as to their new
product line and the seeming split of the company and plan to get the
MiniMap KB/V for this season.  Let me try to outline my understanding,
and please correct me if I am wrong.
1) Erazem Polutnik of SeeYou works for (is an owner of) LXNav which
manufactures the LX8000, LX9000 and Nano.  The LX8000 and LX9000 run
on a custom hardware with a linux operating system underneath - not
SeeYou Mobile
2) LX Navigation has developed the Mini Map that runs a version of
SeeYou Mobile - does the hardware include the software, or this is
separate?
3) The Vario units from both LXNav and LXNavigation appear to be
identical?
Question: Why the split between the two companies?
1) The new USB-D vario is used in the LX1606, LX8000, and LX9000?
2) The LX Mini Map KB/V comes with a vario.  Is this the new USB-D
vario or just a simple vario similar to the LX16?  The price point
would appear to be that you are getting a STF variometer.
Question: What would be the advantage of purchasing an LX9000 in the
$5500 range as opposed to an LX Mini Map + LX 1606 (USB-D) at $2500?
(The one I can think of is the LX9000 does have a compass module - but
perhaps LX Nav will come out with this soon?)
Thanks for your input!

Kevin,

You are correct on the companies.

LX navigation - Crtomir

LXNAV - Erazem & Uros

They split for there own reason but have great cooperation.

The Products

The USB-D manufactured by LX navigation is used in the LX navigation
LX1606, MiniMap KB/V
The USB-D is also used by LXNAV in the LX8000, LX9000

The USB-D is a speed to fly vario with Pitot, static and TE inputs.

The LXMiniMap uses SeeYouMobile for PNA
The LX8000 and LX9000 program is similar in look to the SeeYouMobile
but is different and is customized for operating systems and the
particular instrument.

The advantage of the LX9000 is the large screen, FAI flight recorder,
etc.

Craggy Aero is a US authorized dealer and service center for both
companies.

Thanks for your interest,

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Jax]

Anyone knows if there is a way to connect audio to the USB-D vario ?

Thanks
Jax

[Darryl Ramm]

Post by Jax
Anyone knows if there is a way to connect audio to the USB-D vario ?
Thanks
Jax

Is your question can you connect an external speaker to the vario? The
answer there should be yes. There is a speaker connection on the DB
connector on the vario. You can see pinout details for that connector
in the LX8000 and other product documentation.

Darryl

[Richard]

Post by Jax
Anyone knows if there is a way to connect audio to the USB-D vario ?
Thanks
Jax

Jax,

The USB-D vario that comes with the MiniMap KB-V includes a speaker
and RCA plug as part of the wiring harness.

The LX 1606 USB-D vario also comes with a speaker.

http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm

Thanks ,

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Tim Mara]

there is audio with the MiniMap KB/V
LX Navigation also now offers the system with interal audio speaker
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com

Post by Jax
Anyone knows if there is a way to connect audio to the USB-D vario ?
Thanks
Jax
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Post by Tim Mara
there is audio with the MiniMap KB/V
LX Navigation also now offers the system with interal audio speaker
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com

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Anyone knows if there is a way to connect audio to the USB-D vario ?
Thanks
Jax
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Thanks, Excellent, The Minimap KB/V with a Nano seems like a good
solution and slightly more affordable that the competition.
Can't wait till we have reviews of people who used it in flight.

[Bastoune]

A few additional questions on the LX Mini Map/1606. I understand that
the system can be controlled by the LX Remote Stick.

- Is the LX Remote Stick easy to use with SeeYou mobile?

- Can the vario be switched in and out of the STF mode from the LX
Remote Stick?

- Finally, I am not sure how the LX Remote Stick deals with the PTT
button. My understanding is that the LX remote stick communicates on a
485 data Bus. I am not sure that my Dittel radio takes that as an
input for the PPT button!

Thanks,

Bastoune

[Richard]

Post by Bastoune
A few additional questions on the LX Mini Map/1606. I understand that
the system can be controlled by the LX Remote Stick.
- Is the LX Remote Stick easy to use with SeeYou mobile?
- Can the vario be switched in and out of the STF mode from the LX
Remote Stick?
- Finally, I am not sure how the LX Remote Stick deals with the PTT
button. My understanding is that the LX remote stick communicates on a
485 data Bus. I am not sure that my Dittel radio takes that as an
input for the PPT button!
Thanks,
Bastoune

Bastone,

The PPT button is in the middle on the LX Remote Stick and is just a
momentary switch.

I do have both the MiniMap KB-V thad incudes the USD -B new vario
with the stepper motor needle and color display.

I also have LX1606 with the same vario in stock.

http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm

The NANO also in stock will work with the MiniMap KB-V for a complete
solution.

http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_nav.htm

I will ask LX Navigation their impression of how the Stick Controller
works with SeeYou PNA.

I don't believe the LX Remote has an additional switch available for
the SC.


Thanks,

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[brianDG303]

Post by Richard

Post by Bastoune
A few additional questions on the LX Mini Map/1606. I understand that
the system can be controlled by the LX Remote Stick.
- Is the LX Remote Stick easy to use with SeeYou mobile?
- Can the vario be switched in and out of the STF mode from the LX
Remote Stick?
- Finally, I am not sure how the LX Remote Stick deals with the PTT
button. My understanding is that the LX remote stick communicates on a
485 data Bus. I am not sure that my Dittel radio takes that as an
input for the PPT button!
Thanks,
Bastoune

Bastone,
The PPT button is in the middle on the LX Remote Stick and is just a
momentary switch.
I do have both the MiniMap KB-V  thad  incudes the USD -B new vario
with the stepper motor needle and color display.
I also have LX1606 with the same vario in stock.
http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm
The NANO also in stock will work with the MiniMap KB-V for a complete
solution.
http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_nav.htm
I will ask LX Navigation their impression of how the Stick Controller
works with SeeYou PNA.
I don't believe the LX Remote has an additional switch available for
the SC.
Thanks,
Richardwww.craggyaero.com

Richard,
the USD-B seems to go with the MiniMap, and the temptation is to
replace the little add-on knob and button block with the Stick
Controller (SC). But the USD-B doesn't have a volume control or any
control really, I guess you control it off of the MiniMap somehow, or
the SC.

Is it clear to you how you would change the volume of the USD-B using
an SC, or what exactly do you use?

Thanks,

Brian

[Richard]

Post by Richard

Post by Richard

Post by Bastoune
A few additional questions on the LX Mini Map/1606. I understand that
the system can be controlled by the LX Remote Stick.
- Is the LX Remote Stick easy to use with SeeYou mobile?
- Can the vario be switched in and out of the STF mode from the LX
Remote Stick?
- Finally, I am not sure how the LX Remote Stick deals with the PTT
button. My understanding is that the LX remote stick communicates on a
485 data Bus. I am not sure that my Dittel radio takes that as an
input for the PPT button!
Thanks,
Bastoune

Bastone,
The PPT button is in the middle on the LX Remote Stick and is just a
momentary switch.
I do have both the MiniMap KB-V  thad  incudes the USD -B new vario
with the stepper motor needle and color display.
I also have LX1606 with the same vario in stock.
http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm
The NANO also in stock will work with the MiniMap KB-V for a complete
solution.
http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_nav.htm
I will ask LX Navigation their impression of how the Stick Controller
works with SeeYou PNA.
I don't believe the LX Remote has an additional switch available for
the SC.
Thanks,
Richardwww.craggyaero.com

Richard,
the USD-B seems to go with the MiniMap, and the temptation is to
replace the little add-on knob and button block with the Stick
Controller (SC).  But the USD-B doesn't have a volume control or any
control really, I guess you control it off of the MiniMap somehow, or
the SC.
Is it clear to you how you would change the volume of the USD-B using
an SC, or what exactly do you use?
Thanks,
Brian- Hide quoted text -
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Brian,

The MiniMap Software has two pages in SeeYou for the control of the
Vario. It has a lot of customization options. Download the Manual to
see.

The LX1606 has a Knob in addition to the software to contol it. One
could have a NANO to LX1606 to PDA or ???

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Bastoune]

Post by Richard
Richard,
the USD-B seems to go with the MiniMap, and the temptation is to
replace the little add-on knob and button block with the Stick
Controller (SC).  But the USD-B doesn't have a volume control or any
control really, I guess you control it off of the MiniMap somehow, or
the SC.
Is it clear to you how you would change the volume of the USD-B using
an SC, or what exactly do you use?
Thanks,
Brian- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Brian,

Looking at the manual on Page 8 will answer your question about volume
adjustment from the Stick control
http://www.craggyaero.com/User%20Guides/LX%20Mini%20Map-manual%2014_8.pdf

"[...]The (vario) unit can be controlled by left/right rotary switch
and also by remote control stick. Both units can execute only
limited number of commands as follows:
· Audio volume adjustment
· MC adjustment
· Ballast adjustment
· Bugs adjustment
· Vario filter adjustment
The action always starts with pressing of push button of left/right
knob or enter of remote. After sequenced
pressings above mentioned items will be listed on vario display lower
row. Adjustment is made by rotary switch or
up/down arrows of remote. The actual value is present on vario
display."

This seems to indicate that you can control the vario unit on the LX
Stick Controller.


Richard - Thank you for checking how easy it is to use SeeYou with the
Stick Controller. I do get confused by the fact that the LX MiniMap
Manual (see link above) keeps showing the MiniMap (without the "KB"
Keyboard) connected to the USB-D vario unit and the Stick Controller
(see sketch on page 6, paragraph 1.2) . This option does not seem to
be offered for sale by LX. The only option seems to be to get the
Minimap with the keyboard and vario (KB-V). Can one get a basic
Minimap (without KB) and a USB-D vario (and then add a stick
controller)?

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[brianDG303]

Hi Bastoune,
there is a more recent and slightly complete MiniMap manual at the LX
Navigation website download area:

http://www.lxnavigation.si/avionics/avionics/downloads/manuals/LX%20Mini%20Map-manual%2016.10.pdf

Today I ordered the whole enchilada, for better or for worse. I was
not able to separate the components and had to get the little button-
block, even though I intend to get the stick controller also at some
point. I will be comparing it to the HP 310 solution which I have set
up currently, and the USD-B vario to my Borgelt B40, which I like very
much. But I am ready for better wind information and I hope this
delivers on that, I fly in the winter and I'll let you know how it
works,

Brian

[c***@gmail.com]

Post by brianDG303
Hi Bastoune,
there is a more recent and slightly complete MiniMap manual at the LX
http://www.lxnavigation.si/avionics/avionics/downloads/manuals/LX%20Mini%20Map-manual%2016.10.pdf
Today I ordered the whole enchilada, for better or for worse. I was
not able to separate the components and had to get the little button-
block, even though I intend to get the stick controller also at some
point. I will be comparing it to the HP 310 solution which I have set
up currently, and the USD-B vario to my Borgelt B40, which I like very
much. But I am ready for better wind information and I hope this
delivers on that, I fly in the winter and I'll let you know how it
works,
Brian

I have the LX Minimap KBV,the stick control which does have the sc button,alowing changes from vario display and speed comand,and the LX Navigation Vario.The brightness is super,I use under the strong sunlight of Brazil and never had to switch off the color maps.I have it in use in my ASW 20 C since 2011,bought it from Tim Mara in the States.If you need some information about it .feel free to caontact me,***@fob.usp.br

[Dave Springford]

LX Navigation has discontinued production of the mini-map series and is now focusing on the Zeus family of Linux-based flight computers.

The mini-map is a good product that filled a hole in the market between the PDA era and the new bright colour screen integrated systems like the Zeus, 9000 and Clearnav.

Dave Springford
www.foxonecorp.com